A recent blog post from a Mistress who has decided to stop offering her services as a pro-Domme based on her estimation that pro-Domme experiences have become full-service and sexual, has made me aware of an apparent debate of Mistresses who do or don't.
And, in the words of Lewis Black, I keep thinking, did I miss a day in school somewhere?
I have never done anything with my clients outside of strict BDSM. I am always fully clothed. Oncemore, all the pro-Dommes I personally know in or outside of LA operate the same way.
Are there really so many pro-Dommes out there who are having sex with their clients? I posted the question on twitter and got one response, from a sub, who said he heard that some gave handjobs.
I've known of escorts who may dom or sub at their discretion, but on the whole, they are looking for another connection with a client, usually to have sex, not to have a full-on BDSM session.
I remember being in a commercial dungeon and being annoyed, along with my other "independent contractors" when clients came in clearly wanting more than BDSM--sometimes only wanting more than BDSM. We didn't care so much that they wanted it, we just weren't going to give it to them; we wanted to refer them to other sex workers who would give them what they wanted and leave us alone. I've long wanted to make a quiz for clueless people, called "This is the Sex Worker for You!" Here is a sample question:
Do you want your balls . . .
a. smashed
b. banging against pussy
c. grinded through your pants with pasties in your face.
d. to be touched by yourself as you talk to someone endlessly on the internet about what you would do if you were both there in the same room naked as opposed to being in different time zones with your respective spouses upstairs asleep.
If you answered mostly A's, you want a Domme. If you answered mostly B's, you want an escort. If you answered mostly C's you want a stripper. If you answered mostly D's, you want an emotional affair which although isn't a sex worker, yes, it's still cheating, and yes, you are an asshole, because this means you can't actualize what you would like to do with the person you are in a relationship with nor can you find a live person to do it with, get a life, seek help and stop using the internet.
This test is by no means conclusive, but I had no idea another answer choice was needed, i.e. if you answered A's and B's, you want a Dommescort.
Searching the internet for answers, I found the noted interview
with Mistress Y from Smith magazine where she says, "No. I don’t have conventional sex with my clients."
But it's from 2007, so maybe something has changed. I found a post from a Mistress just this month on a marketing site where she says "At no time does a mistress have sex with a client."
Dare I quote FOXSexpert: To Be a Dominatrix, where Yvonne Fullbright contends, "but the fact that they are able to avoid intercourse is the main reason your “average” women in need of cash are going this route."
Here's another domme from New York City who in her interview also says, "For the client, being dominated is 100% about sensuality but it is not about sex. There is no sex and no nudity inside a dungeon."
A thread on Yahoo answers where this is a resounding "no" to the question if Mistresses have sex with their clients
Then, there's the interview with Mistress Georgia to consider: "In California being a dominatrix is legal because there is never any sex (at all) involved in being a dominatrix."
Here's an interview from a Mistress from London who said, "There was never any sex involved in the ‘sessions’.
I am very pro-prostitution.* I think it should be legalized and even if it never is, I still think it is valid and needed work. I have friends who are escorts and would never judge someone for doing this type of sex work, it is just not for me. Why? Because I'm a fucking dominatrix!
In $pread magazine, there is a column for the weirdest request from a client. What strikes me as odd about these requests, is many of them aren't that odd, they just seemed to be misdirected to the incorrect type of sex worker. The example that comes to mind is the guy who asked a stripper to kick him in the balls. Certainly not at all odd for me, working or not, but this was weird as hell for her. Why? Because she was a fucking stripper.
So, tell me. Are you fucking your clients? Because I'm fucking not.
*I think it's important to clarify that I believe there to be three main categories of prostitution. I endorse people who make 1) an uncoerced choice to enter into prostitution. I do NOT mean 2) forced sexual slavery or 3) people who think they have no choice but to enter sex work for various economical, social, and political reasons beyond their control.
4 comments:
Thank you for opening up an interesting debate. I'm not a professional dominatrix, but I do design web sites and advertise for both escorts and professional BDSM customers. In addition, I'm a dominant in personal life.
It's pretty clear why professional Mistresses stay away from sex - in addition to any personal preferences, offering sexual services is illegal, domination isn't.
That said, in my 13+ years of work with adult services industry, I've known a number (not large, but definitely there) of professional lifestyle dominants who also offered escort and other adult services.
Most of them took great pains to hide the escort side of their business, going as far as to develop separate web sites & personae for each side of their business.
The great majority of the ones that talked to me about it mentioned that they're in hiding as escorts because of the very real fear of being stigmatized by their fetish community.
Considering the strong emotional reaction to this issue as well as the legal angle, I'd be dubious about the statistical value of the answers you get...
On a personal side, if I were a professional dominatrix, (some form of) sex would not be on the menu solely because of the illegality of it. I personally find sex(ual play) an incredibly powerful tool of domination and energy play - from its emotional, spiritual and mental aspect to the simple biochemistry of it.
However, I do appreciate the wonderful variety of our individual desires and preferences. I just wish this were not such a hot button in both the professional and non-professional BDSM community.
If it's not off topic, I'd like to ask a follow up question to any professional lifestyle dominants here - if sexual services were completely legal, would there be other reasons for you not to include them in your professional life?
The knee-jerk reaction I heard from people *not* in the lifestyle was "Because sex is so much more intimate", but frankly this just doesn't make sense for me - I do know that a deep BDSM session can be as (if not more) profound and intimate as any sex... So, any thoughts?
Webmistress
I broached this topic last night and another upon reading a popular message board of dommes who escort.
I have been asked many times for sexual intercourse but I find the action personally not challenging to my creativity as a Domme.
I am so much better at other things that have taken me my lifetime to learn and then to catalyze during a session.
For those wanting to expand their realm of fetish conscienceness (not to sound too esoteric), my specialities are of a mind and body collaboration where sexual intercourse would just UNDERSHADOW my play.
The thing that brought me into BDSM as a pre-teen was the fact that no sex need be mixed in to have a VERY deep emotional/physical AND intimate connection during a session. Many of my clients are married and I would never do anything to undermine that, if even for my own values.
Remember, we, as non-escort Dommes are Specialists. Maybe we need a code by our names or an insignia to show that?
SirenSimone
I know many who don't, and a very few who do.
Those who 'do' 99% of the time fall into two categories :
(1) Those who are in no way trained Dommes, but solicitors who simply wear black latex, and act aggressive; a themed prostitute from the get-go.
(2) Highly unsuccessful former Dommes, be it cosmetically, lack of talent, in one case, believe it or not, advanced age (Senior Citizen.)
It's not the norm, and those clients who are seeking/assuming all Dommes are indeed themed prostitutes are either are horribly ignorant of what they think is the lifestyle, or sheepishly hoping for the best in a highly inappropriate manner.
-Jian Bastille
Thank you to the commenters!
I really appreciate your well-thought out responses to this ongoing debate in the community. Based on the feedback I've received thus far, both on this blog, my Myspace blog and speaking to others in the community, it seems the majority of Mistresses don't. Most saw domination and escorting as two separate forms of sex work.
Webmistress--I appreciate your point that pro-domination is usually legal or at least something most law enforcers do not bother which, opposed to prostitution which is illegal. I don't think your question is off-topic; for me, I chose becoming a pro-domme because it seemed to be the best fit for me. I think many more would consider escorting if it was not illegal and stigmatized.
SirenSimone--I agree as well, that I have very deep, intense experiences with people using only BDSM. I continue to advertise with the tagline: "Ask about other activities not listed here. BDSM only. No sex." I consider this my clearly marked insignia that I'm open to other activities that fall into the BDSM category, but not a sexual category.
Jian--Thank you for breaking down categories of which you have seen Dommescorts. I agree that if a client expects this service with someone advertising as a Domme, that person is misinformed and should take my sex worker quiz.
I hope this debate continues.
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